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>> cenk: you know how from time to time i tell you we're going to have an awesome show? well, this time we're really going to have an awesome show. i've got a panel that i'm so excited about its ridiculous. so welcome to "the young turks." look at this, david sirota, now author syndicated columnist
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glenn greenwald. michael hastings, from buzzfeed. the notebook on "the young turks." new book "panic 2012". this is an all star panel. >> what is the occasion. >> he goes i'm a hard scrabbled reporter. i got it. >> it's an honor to be here with you gentlemen david and glenn. this is great. >> cenk: hearwe're hearing more about bengahzi. we'll go to a news report about it and we'll talk about what is right and what is wrong. >> three state department witnesses come forward to talk about the mishandling of the bengahzi attack. >> it matters to me personally, and it matters to my colleagues.
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my colleagues at the department state. >> and the emotional testimony of gregory hicks described the night ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed. >> i got the ambassador on the other end. he said, greg, we're under attack. >> hicks believes the obama administration could have done more that night in the days after the attack. u.n. ambassador susan rice recited talking points from u.n. officials that the attack was the response of a spontaneous protest, but the obama administration later admitted it was from a terrorist attack. >> cenk: there are two topics here. we do have done more to prevent the attack. and the one they're focusing on is that susan rice came out and lied on the sunday talk shows and the diplomats are saying from the beginning they knew it was a terrorist attack. what is your take. >> i think they haven way too dismissive.
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the republicans are in this to inflict political harm. you don't really care what the motive is, i think clearly the answer is yes, more so about whether the administration purposely down played what happened with an eye towards the looming presidential election, and there is a history where the administration often makes false statements like they did in the aftermath of the killing of osama bin laden that turn out to be utterly and completely false. then they say it's involved in the war. but half the time it would help them, and half the time it would hurt them. but when it's politically beneficial, you think it's a falsehood. whether they recklessly said things that they didn't believe were true or said things that were false about an event that is significant. >> cenk: i want to run a theory by you guys. they're used to lying about every single event that happens.
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they didn't down our helicopter. the taliban couldn't do that, and then two weeks later they did down the helicopter. osama bin laden hid behind his wife, then it turns out he didn't. then he had a gun and then he didn't. then they react like i thought we greed to lie about this. >> there are some things that i don't understand. i don't understand the thrust of the lie. what does the lie get them. if the truth is it was a terrorist attack, if the truth is we went to war in libya and there was a terrorist attack on us to me i see as much political--if you can call it--upside, there was a terrorist attack i'm the commander in chief, and i'm going to investigate this terrorist attack instead of saying it's a spontaneous up rising. maybe they're so used to lying that it's the default setting but i don't see the political
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motive. >> i've been doing a lot of reporting on this. let's flashback to december 2012 when this happened. the white house honestly did not know what they were dealing with as it was unfolding. as it happens in realtime events. not only were there riots that they were trying to get a handle on. they said it was a terrorist attack. once it was processed it went through the intelligence community. that was john brennan. what he did was essentially take these other intelligence things and made a larger assessment, and overruleing these whistle blowers, and saying no, we haven't not determined what the true cause is, and we think this video is involved. and there were questioned raise by hillary clinton and yesterday bidenishjoe bidenby the end of the
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week. they knew it was a terrorist attack. word went out whatever the portfolio is, do not cause problems. keep your head down. if you're work on iraq don't make any stupid headlines. if you're working on libya keep your head down, and they didn't. they got blown up. >> on september 11th instinctively you are wondering is this a coordinated attack as opposed to spontaneous. to david's point i think the obama campaign was all about we suppressed al-qaeda. we killed osama bin laden. we kept the country safe. if there is that kind of terror attack, it looks like the united states is weak. it gives the republicans in. obama has the polls and it looks like he's going to win. i think it's the politically safer course of action. it doesn't make it seem like the
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war in libya was a mistake that it unleashed all these things, and it doesn't put pressure on the obama administration to act. they would vastly refer-- >> my reaction would be if we were attacked in the middle of an occupation, that's not necessarily surprising. >> cenk: i think glenn's right. that's the safe route and obama always takes the safer route. oh, it wasn't terrorism. they think get it out first. no one will hear the retraction, and that's the usual play. the republicans are wait, no, no no, we're going to make a stink on this. what should happen? so now mike huckabee is on the show talking about impeachment. of course, of course. what is the reality? we apparently tend to agree that they went in the wrong direction in that first weekend? >> we're going to get ambassadors killed.
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that's the arrangement of it. there's no 100% security. there's not even 50% security in a place where there are a hundred tax already that year. if they're going to do this, they're going to accept that they're going to lose lives for stupid reasons. i don't endorse it. >> you're right about that, the other thing about the obama administration confidently lies or makes false claims there is no accountability, oversight of any kind. there shouldn't be impeachment or punishment but an extreme amount of skepticism in the future, and support for the efforts by congress even if it's the big bad republicans driving it whatever their bad motives are, support the effort to get more information into the hands of the public rather than lie. >> this is not that the republicans are screwing up by doing oversight this time. they screwed up by not doing over sight ever everything else. not just republicans but democrats. my god the negligence of the
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eight years of the bush administration and not doing proper oversight was unbelievable. i want to go to syria before we go to foreign policies. we have refugees spilling out 500,000 to jordan. 200,000 to turkey. those are allies, we should help in that situation. the question is what should we do. it's easy to identify what away shouldn't do. the question is what should we do if anything. >> i will try to offer up the things that should be on our mind. we don't have a very good track record. >> cenk: what do you mean? >> whenever i hear a congressman or senator say arming rebels, or we should get with the rebels and help the rebels, i fell like americans get this idea of us helping the rebels in "star wars" and it ends all great but we forget the history of what happens when we help the rebels
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when we don't know who they are necessarily are. all that to say there is no easy solution, and the solution to just jump in there and back the relevance isrebels is not necessarily a good amendment. they're rebels and when they turn on us they're terrorists. >> we do know who some of the rebels are number some of them are ordinary syrian citizens fighting against tyranny but the real fighters are islamist extremists and those who affiliate with al-qaeda. they're calling for the arming and funding of al-qaeda. we did similar things in libya as well where part of the forces that we supported there were armed--were affiliated with them as well. a lot of times as horrible as it is when extremely terrible things happen in the world there is not something that the united
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states can do to make it better. oftentimes the things that we're inclined to do often maybes it worse. that's the case in syria. it's a complicated country. it's hard to navigate the u.s. military is constructed to destroy not to build as we've seen over and over. >> cenk: we're pretty good at that. >> yes we're good at that, and in iraq on weekends dozens of dozens of people are still dying, you can make it much worse. >> cenk: okay, michael, you're saying stay out. >> yes humanitarian aid and even that has a host of problems. we're dealing with a fillover from iraq that we funded. the awakening of the surge was the islamic sunni extremists. a lot of that funding came out you had syria with the baathist refugees, so we're going to end up supporting these horrible people. when you have this situation of
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total chaos the extremeist beat out the person liberal guys. there are so few left, i say don't get involved. >> cenk: do you remember when the rebels won in iraq and egypt? right, me either. when we come back we will gather to domestic policy. when we look at who is the presidentrealproblem is, the wall street and and we'll talk about deregulating when we come back. >> (laughter).
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much pow in wall street, but guess what, the american people are on to them. in a great gallup poll they asked the question who has too much power? and the five groups that came in the stop five in order, these are the guys who have little power state government. the top five are lobbyists are number one, 71% of american people saying they have too much power. corporations are number two. the banks and financial institutions are number three. the federal government is only number four, and labor unions comes in at a weak number five, 43%. we're here with a panel of david sirota, glenn greenwald and michael hastings. they nailed it. >> it's incredibly insightful and wise, that's exactly how you would probably put it is exactly that order.
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political reporters would probably look at that and think at a was incredibly wrong almost crazy because the story they tell every single day is the complete opposite of that. you never hear lobbyists discussed about the law making. you have the congress that you elected, and they vote for the laws they believe and the ones they don't. it's encouraging, as well. >> cenk: both on the left and the right everybody attacked the poll like that's crazy. that doesn't make sense. how could the unions be too powerful. the american people they don't know what they're talking about. they both have special interests, and they can be powerful and corporations have more money and they're more powerful. >> it's heateningly enlightened. there is so much propaganda aimed at people to try to make them not think that.
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in a sense it's both discouraging in a fact that that is the reality. that the poll is right. but at least it suggests that the american public gets what is going on. now the question is where does that all go? what kinds of policies does that bring. >> cenk: they voted in committee and passed with flying colors, 22 out of 28 democrats all the republicans voted for it to repeal the restrictions, exempt interaffiliate swaps, bank foreign offices and expand banking derivatives. basically, have at it, hoss. the most dangerous financial products in the world, derivatives are going to be deregulated again and democrats and republicans agree. talk to me where you think the heart of the problem that we have this disconnect from what the american people want and what they get.
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>> except i would dispute that the american people necessarily want that. hear me out. what i think is that the polls show that americans think that wall street is too powerful. when i say where does all of that energy go? on the right in the last few years the rhetoric of the right has done a good job of at least convincing their side and some independents that the way to deal--the way to channel that energy is back to deregulation. get the federal government out of the quote/unquote economy using the economy as the proxy for for instance wall street. what i worry about when i see something like that, you and all of us may say hey, it's crazy that money is further empowering wall street, and money in politics is further empowering wall street. but i guarantee you're going to hear on the right that this is a triumph of us getting federal power out of the face of business. >> i don't entirely agree with
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what david said, i do to some extent but there is a much greater recognition and i think it's a common recognition on both parts of what we think on the right and the left that one of the big problems really is the influence of corporations over government and the fact that government is working on behalf of corporations. that was the root of all the tea party movement and it's original incarnation before it was annexed by the republican party. and the occupy movement. if them born out of anger at their expense so you see on the right and the left. it is true what david says one of the ways that the right manipulates the sentiment, the solution is to get government entirely out. until you do they're always going to be in this relationship. and maybe to some extent there is a little truth to that. but the real issue i think is that people are becoming extremely discontent and dissatisfied with the institutions that they need to
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believe in to maintain social stability. that's where this social unrest really signifies. this is a danger to people in power. >> cenk: michael, let me hear one set of facts here. because they sense it in their real lives. between 1917 and 1980 we had significant growth in income. 31% of it went to the top 10%. okay, the top 10% is going to get a bigger percentage. we get that. but the bottom got 90% got 69% of the growth. but from 1981 to 2008 the top 10% got 96% of the growth. and the bottom 90% got 40% of the growth. they feel it in their income, they feel it when somebody gets sick and they can't take care of them etc. there is that anger growing. what do we do with it? how do we fix it? >> look, you look at that poll. if you did another poll, and you
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read the list of things that they just deregulateed and polled them on it. no one would be surprised. they would refer you to the gallup poll and say yeah, the lobbyists run this whole thing. if you said look are you shocked that the government is going to repeat the corporate banking the same mistakes they made, everyone you know would be, yeah obviously that sucks but we're not surprised by it. that's where that disconnect, that's where part of the people for occupy wall street, that's where it comes from. and then people notice it in their lives. they know who is getting rich. warren buffet, yes there is a class war and the rich are winning. and everybody says they know it. nobody is fooled. that's where you have to fight against the the cynicism. >> where does the unrest go. when you want to answer the questions where do the politics go and what kind of policies
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happen, you can look back at the great depression where the unrest went into real social movements and real progressive legislative economic movements or look at other parts of history where the unrest has driven into a right wing pop youism. >> there is a golden dawn rally in greece. they're right wing neo-it neo-fascists, and they're taking the anger that the greek people have, and look at one of their rallies here. [ [♪ singing ♪] >> cenk: i've seen enough. does that not square the hell out of you? when that flaying came across, i thought is this the 1930s.
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>> if you have serious social discontent and you are a member of the elite and you see the discontent threatens the structure, people always want to pacify it. you can either placate it whether symbolically placate it, even things out just a little bit more however much you need to calm people down or consolidate your own power so as people become discontent, there is nothing that you can do because you've created this military state. they are doing the latter and very little of the former. when you see that in greece. you see it in hungary spain clearly people of the united states fear that level of instability, and they seem to be
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doing very little to seem to dilute it. >> cenk: i think what is happening long-term figures like buffet are turning to the koch brothers and going, what are you doing you smock.s? we say historyic healthcare reform. and they didn't throw a fig leaf on gun control and call it gun reform. you don't want that. let's pretend to fix it and be close to the money. >> much of it an automated. legally they have to think about profits. >> cenk: exactly. >> and their lobbyists are saying they have lobbyists who have to think that way. their lobbyists make sure that what happens is what we're seeing, and in other words there is very little way to break that cycle right now
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because it's on auto pilot. >> cenk: it is, i think the last thing is we built these robots. you know these sci-fi movies where they built the robots and they take over, and if has happened. only they're called corporations. they're legally to squeeze every red penny out of the system. they have no morality. it's not that they're immoral they're amoral. they're designed not to have morality. they have to have short-term stock they squeezen squeeze drive, drive. >> and you have this nice corporate structure that is legally going to focus on its own self interest, which is true. but you have this influence of political power financial influence that think about issues beyond their short-term
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needs, and they ought to and can. why don't those people out of self interest, john rockefeller used to ride down the streets to throw coins at people. not because he cared about them, but because he didn't want people to hate him. and there's very little of that. that's surpriseing to me. not because you expect them to be moral but to be smart. >> that's the same as the mob parade. they would give a little become back to the people. but the koch brothers look a little more greedy than the mob. now, when we come back we got to talk about civil liberties. pi think a lot of people are not aware that all of your phone calls and e-mails are recorded by the government. that seems to be a surprise to people. but we're going to talk about that and we have great evidence on that when we come back.
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>> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." we have this great all-star panel. david sirota, glenn greenwald and michael hastings. we're going to talk about civil
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liberties. first fbi wants more power. shocking. the fbi director robert muelle has argued that the bureau's ability to eavesdrop. and since 2010 has pushed for a legal mandate requiring companies like facebook and google to build into their instant messages and other such systems a capacity to comply with wiretap orders. in other words we're used to wiretapping your phones but when you're talking on your computer we can't track that. in fact, we had a former fbi analysts named tim clemente. he was a counter terrorism agent. he said when asked well they wouldn't find the phone calls. he said no there is a way. we certainly have ways in normal security investigations to find
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out exactly what was said in that conversation. that's not a conversation that is happening right now. it's a conversation that already happened. it's recorded. it's sitting somewhere and they can access it. if it's recorded for them it's also recorded for you. tim clemente also said, when aaron burnett was surprised about it no, welcome to america. all that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know iter or like it or not. so glenn you wrote about this. it seems to me there are people constantly and analysts in the media, really, they're recording our e-mails and phone calls really? >> it's interesting. there has been a lot of revelation abouts the extent of the surveillance state not nearly as much as it should be. we should know horror about it than we do. there has been some disclosure. there hasn't been a case that there is an indication that
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every single phone call that we make has been recorded and stored so when the government wants to go back back--the fact that tim clemente said it doesn't mean that it proves that it's true. he's with the counterterrorism, he went on the next time and even cnn recognized how serious this one. and they went back the next night and said, so wait, are you actually saying this is what the government can do? he confirmed it the second night. it is very significant that someone who worked in the counterterrorism of the lib is confirming this. we should be using it to demand information. one quick thing, two democratic senators have been going around for years now saying we're on on the intelligence committee. we know what is happening. if the american people knew,
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they would be shocked a at the radical extreme. it's so far what we expect and the law permits we ought to be asking a lot more questions. >> cenk: we're on to the conversation with the media. what happened? the media was supposed to be the watchdog. there have been reports of the former at&t employee who said yes, they're tracking every call that goes through at&t domestically. >> i mean look there have been gray reports with "the new york times," the "washington post," you can go down the list who dedicated their life to providing this information. for me, robert mueller iii, three strikes is his neck name. when i'm trying to comprehend there is this massive state it makes me feel uneasy.
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i would talk to baird brown, and i have his number and he has my number and because i knew that they could be recorded. so that's the principle i'm operating on. julian assange the browser the the back door. but when it gets to me, unless you're a super savvy and computer savvy not me. i cannot confirm that i've never been--except that people tell me all the time, and then in the special force community. >> one clarification on that. it's not like they're actively listening on your calls. they might, i would be surprised, but it's that they can. if they go back and target
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someone, what did cenk say to his friend in turkey. what did he say to the source he was talking etc. it's somewhere where he can access. that's big brother if all these accusations are true. >> and you wonder about the media. >> cenk: you're right, i have to make clarifications. there are some great articles including by you guy. when you turn tv there is a wall of silence. >> i withdraw a theory that part of it the news organizations just like politicians react to what they perceive to be controversial or not controversial. there is a new poll out recently last week saying that 78% of americans want to see more surveillance in the wake of the boston bombing. so i think there is a self-fulfilling prophecy going on where i think media organizations say live, people don't care about this. people are okay with
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surveillance. and so it doesn't seem to be then in a news decision setting to be a story that is an outrage story. >> major media figures are okay with--thankful that the government is protecting him. >> i'm not saying that the government shouldn't work like that but in the context of a newsroom and a number of stories, most americans support that so screw it, we're not going to cover it. >> cenk: it's not that americans are supporting it or not but in television if the democrats and republicans agree then it must be true. there is a poll out on civil liberties. they ask people, do you think anti-terrorism policies restrict civil liberties. 61% said yes. anti-terrorism policies are not strong snuff enough at 31%. thereare is there anyone say stop
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looking in my life. the problem the politics and the media don't seem to be responsive. >> there is always this issue of surveillance, there is a sense that david is expressing and there are polls that support it and some that con contradict it that people don't care about their privacy. i think people instinctively care about their privacy. the reason why i know that, people put passwords. and if people say they don't care about privacy ask to read their e-mails and they won't let you. they lock their bedroom doors so they can do things without eyes being cast upon them. i think the real danger is that it creates a climate of fear. then we start altering our behavior. there is a documenten who will not edit her film in the united
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states because she is concerned that people would find out what she's doing. this climate of fear that is created affects journalists filmmakers and effects how all of us behave if we think there is an eye upon us and you become much more conformist. that's the harm that comes from lost privacy. >> cenk: i absolutely agree. i want to know why obama is building a surveillance state and making it even larger. when we come back, you get to ask them questions. we do ask cenk every once in a while. we'll ask david, glenn and michael. there are some great questions ahead. come right back for them.
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>> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." the u block, we have david sirota, glenn greenwald, michael hastings, and shana joins us.
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she has questions for everybody. first, do you have something else? >> yesterday we asked you about have at it hoss and one of our friends sophie reminded us it's probably were bonanza. it was the second google for have it hoss. the mean generator. here we go. >> cenk: google is on to me. >> yes. one viewer wants to know what you think about the marshal law and door-to-door searches in boston and why the public was so obedient and thankful having the police stormed through their neighborhood as a war zone. >> when the bombs goes off people change the way they think about things. >> you want it to be a rare case when the government shuts down and pulls people out of their houses and search them without
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search warrant. i don't know if this is better than the 19-year-old kid who was acting basically alone unarmed and we want to think about it as something that we don't want happening reflexively. >> i would agree and i would say locking down the whole city, the governor coming on to the tv and saying, don't go out of your home indefinitely, to me it begs the question there is going to be probably another one of these. i hope there isn't but there is going to be. is this now the way we react? >> that's interesting. i thought hey there is a guy on the loose. it's not the most egregious case but it is a problem if it becomes much more regular. >> from philip what can occupy movement do to become relevant again, and do you see that happening? >> i i have to say i'm fairly sadsad about the occupy.
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have it. >> cenk: but you're discouraged. >> yes i'm discouraged. the internal fighting, and despite all its faults you have to pretend that you're some tea party like thing and they didn't want to do it. >> that's what the police want, basically. they saw this movement. it was growing. and it was strong. the police went in and crushed it and got away with it even though it was a peaceful assembly. that indicates what kind of society we have. >> i would agree, but i would say that it did change the debate. whether it's called occupy or something else. >> yes it proves that you can stay on the streets and it's a huge lesson. if you get more desperate you won't go away. you'll stay there for over a month. >> one of the things that we discovered was that new york and the wall street area has a surveillance center is manned by
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the nypd and the banks. they're in there literally together. jpmorgan chase the nypd, checking on what the people are doing. >> it sounds like robocop but it's true. >> cenk: it also sounds like something else. >> a shout out. we have folks from strike debt on the show. they were the one occupiers that are interested, and they're buying up debt and paying it off. that was a smart way to apply it. >> cenk: i hope they revive it like that. >> let's go to d 13, how much do you bench michael mcmahonis wants to me. >> back in high school i benched 225, but i haven't benched in a long, long time. if i'm lucky. >> 310. >> okay. >> last time i benched was my son who was son 30 pounds. >> and jody arias's father said
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he could bench 500 pounds. the people on the news thought he was lying. >> one more, he asked the rest of you not cenk, what would you change about tyt if you could be in charge for a day. >> cenk: oh, good one. >> i'm not taking that one first. >> cenk: keep it real. >> call him on it. >> i'm happy to be here. this is awesome. actually no, i would have a statement on lil wayne. he was dropped by mountain dew. drink less mountain dew listen to more lil wayne. >> i got one. >> cenk: now we're warming up. >> have a studio in denver with craft beer flowing all the time. >> cenk: i wonder where david lives. i can't quite tell. >> i would oppose a dress code. >> i impose the dress code by mocking him on twitter mostly by
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what he wears. >> cenk: i think we're out of time here. but we are going to come back and talk about jody a cia s guilty shocking, i know, and updates on the guys in cleveland. we'll see where we can get to. thank you. michael loves it, so he's going to stay around. come right back.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." we've got updates with what is happening today. hermela aregawi is here, and jayar jackson also joins us. what have you got with us? >> we're going to start with the infamous jodi arias case. the verdict has come back after a four-month trial. jodi arias is accused of brutally killing her lover stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat from ear to ear. this is what the jury decided on
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that case today. >> state of arizona against jodi arias. we do the injury do impaneled and sworn on our oath do find the defendant of first-degree murder, guilt. >> let's take a look at the numbers. it lasted for four months long. jodi was on the stand for 15 hours. and the cost for tax payers for her defense was $1.4 million. >> michael you're the expert. >> the headline news doesn't even roll a scroll of what is going on in the rest of the world. it's all about the poor bastard
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who got murdered. >> literally. >> i hope they don't do a death penalty. >> cenk: why? >> because when you take risks like this crazy affair and she turns out to stab you that's unfortunate, but i don't think she deserves to die for it. >> cenk: wow. >> i just don't think the government should be killing anybody. >> cenk: that part i agree with, you death penalty. >> i could never--i could not ever say death to jodi arias or to the alexander guy. >> i think that's the little bit of hope that the defense is holding on to. i was talking to our in-house legal expert, and she said that the defense tactic was to hut jodi on the stand for 18 days so you would get to know her so maybe you would want to put her in prison for life but you wouldn't want to kill her. >> cenk: that's interesting. their defense was horrible. they didn't even present a defense on self defense. yeah we did it, but part of it
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is her on the stand for so long. the other part since it got so am coverage we feel like we know her a tiny bit, oh, we're going kill that lady? the death penalty means we're going to decide to kill her. >> considering that i didn't pay attention to this trial as much as possible, now the death penalty. the appeals and then death row and that cost--yes death is the first thought but there is costs. i don't believe in the death penalty for many years and that being one of them because you're force to appeal. we don't want to take lives. >> i think it puts the death penalty in people's faces. now there is something worth discussing about the trial. before when it was nameless thugs and criminals, you never see them. they're faceless. yeah.
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but now she's the worst kind of killer. she was convicted of the most horrible murder a lot of us have ever seen. worse than o.j. right? but we know her. we saw her. she's that girl. it feels like she's the girl down the street. we'rewe're really going to kill her. >> part of the reason people say she deserves to die now is they enjoys the media too much. and living this celebrity now. we fed into this. now we're going to kill you because you're going to have too good of a time in prison. that's one of the anger towards jodi is that she seems to be loving and she knew she could create. >> there are a lot of emotions in this case, and we could go on about it, but let's move on to the cleveland kidnapping case which is just as bizarre. charge have been filed against the primary suspect ario
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castro. he was charged with four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. his brothers have not been charged with anything so far. there was a press conference this morning in which a little bit of information came out about how the young women were living in that house. let's just take a look at that clip. >> after interviewing the young ladies to a state was the other day when amanda escaped. they were in that home. i don't believe--they don't believe that they've been outside of the home for the last ten years respectively. >> were they kept together in one room? >> they were not in one room, but they did know each other and they did know each other was there. >> so, i have a political and non-political point. oh my gosh, there were chains and locks. how else are you going to keep them in the house. i'm not surprised by that.
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but the political point don't with the tsarnaev brothers, don't give them their miranda rights. they're monsters. and this ario castro is as much of a monster as they get. your daughter is held for ten years, why could they get miranda rights. no matter how monstrous he is, he is an u.s. citizen, he has his right. but tsarnaev is an u.s. citizen. >> but i think it's the nature of the drawn-out ten-year crime that doesn't pose an urgent threat as opposed to bombing in the middle of a marathon is more urgent. >> you're going laugh at me for saying this, but my death penalty sense has the cleveland ohio, except where i believe these people deserve the death
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penalty. how do you not react when you see this? you just want these guys dead. if jodi arias killed someone like but again despite knowing that these guys deserve nothing more than just to be end their life. we're civilized and that comes at a cost and we have to understand that human beings can be horrible. >> and whether it's ario castro, or dzhokhar tsarnaev they did horrible things. >> we saw the explosives on the boston bomb. oh i know somebody in boston. were you there? and we feel the same. we're scared about it. no one saw what they were going through for the past ten years. >> no, i think it's a gut punch. a lot of people saw that and thought, oh my god kidnapping daughters, etc. the i think the difference is terrorism, terrorism, everybody be scared because then the government is allowed more power. here we've been dealing with murder kidnap rapes cases
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forever. it's harder to maybe an exception. it's easier to make an exception if you yell terrorism until you're right. >> exactly. this seems like something that happens few and far in between and when it happens to us as opposed to the bombings, it seems like more of a threat. >> cenk: we'll leave it right there. we're back with one more amazing point. the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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